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MacQueen was a true hero. His brave and tireless efforts in support of 9/11 truth was truly remarkable. His corollary work on the anthrax attacks that happened soon afterwards is often overlooked or forgotten, just like the attacks themselves. However, as MacQueen knew well, there are many answers to be found in studying the anthrax attacks. He wrote a whole book on it, which I highly recommend called 'The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy':

https://www.amazon.com/2001-Anthrax-Deception-Domestic-Conspiracy/dp/0986073121/ref=sr_1_1?crid=O8EYWE2EYODE&keywords=graeme+macqueen%2C+anthrax&qid=1694464574&sprefix=graeme+macqueen%2C+anthrax%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1

9/11 and the anthrax attacks were perpetrated by the Deep State at the behest of their Globalist Cabal masters:

One of many excellent books on 9/11 is Mark Gaffney's 'Black 9/11: Money, Motive and Technology':

https://www.amazon.com/Black-11-Money-Motive-Technology-ebook/dp/B01KU3FB4G/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3HDTY456N2ZC4&keywords=black+9%2F11+book&qid=1694463440&s=books&sprefix=Black+9%2F11+%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C164&sr=1-1

There are also many superb documentaries, including several from James Corbett at https://www.corbettreport.com/

The work done by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which MacQueen worked closely with is also outstanding:

https://www.ae911truth.org/

Understanding the truth about 9/11 and other conspiracies of that magnitude such as the JFK assassination and the fraud of the Apollo moon landings is crucial to understanding where we are now in the Covid era and who and what forces are really behind all this evil.

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How did he die and at what age?

I could look it up but it may not be accurate.

ie Ted Gunderson FIB Agent in Charge of LA District and SW US says cause of death was Bladder Cancer.

Yes, likely caused by his chronic arsenic poisoning.

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He was diagnosed with cancer, I believe he said 4 years ago?

He passed away this past Spring.

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All true except the Apollo moon landings weren't fake. Now you can see the actual landing sites with the lander & rovers in photographs taken from moon orbiting satellites. No reason to fake them, the CIA could give a damn about the moon. They want all nations to be subordinate to the Bankster World Totalitarian State. The moon isn't a nation.

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The moon landings were very, very fake and they are highly worthy of investigation for all kinds of reasons:

No way man went to the moon on ‘joke’ 1960’s technology. We could not even do so in 2023 if we tried. The Apollo Moon Landings are for adults what Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are for many children.

The Moon Landings were a global psy op designed to spook the Russians and to quell rising dissent in the United States from an increasingly agitated population that was reeling from 4 deeply suspicious major political assassinations (JFK, MX, MLK, RFK) and was waking up to the horrors of the Vietnam War. Above all, the Apollo program was a massive money laundering scheme designed to further enrich the oligarchy and to fund and hide what was a US state-sponsored totalitarian experiment on the people of Vietnam. (See the works of Douglas Valentine for more on the latter.)

Proof:

Wag the Moon Doggie -

One of the most compelling works ever produced on the subject of the fraud of the Moon Landings is available in essay form from the late great Dave McGowan at the link below from The Center for an Informed America. McGowan was an excellent writer and extremely witty. His essays are very entertaining. He masterfully destroys virtually every aspect of the official narrative piece by piece with genuine science, FOI releases and by exposing all of the ridiculous lies and self-contradictory statements and assertions from NASA et al. There are easily a hundred different ways to prove the fraud and McGowan is the best place to start.

Just read it!

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/

Bart Sibrel, who has dedicated his life to this topic for over two decades is also excellent:

Moon Man: The True Story of a Film Maker on the CIA Hit List (2021)

Bart Sibrel

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moon-Man-True-Story-Filmmaker/dp/1513686569/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1693822587&sr=8-1

Sibrel is also a documentary film maker. His short documentary, ‘A Funny thing Happened on the Way to the Moon’ from 2004 should dispel any illusions.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Dn5GQRBdTDLs/

One of the biggest obstacles for doubters of us sceptics is that there's simply no way the astronauts would have gone along with the fraud. Oh, yes, they would have, and they did. When one has the CIA's fangs in them there is no telling what one might do. In the next link below, you can see Sibrel's Astronauts Gone Wild documentary where he interviews well over a dozen of the Apollo astronauts including Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins. The way all these men obfuscate and how they behave says it all. They are not heroes and they never were.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/k8Ju8XOB7Z69/

As with the JFK assassination, 9/11 and the War on Terror, understanding the Moon Landing psy op is crucial to making sense of where we are today in the Covid era and who and what forces are really behind all this.

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No the Moon landings had nothing whatsoever to do with CIA's JFK assassination, 9/11 or their war on terror. In fact they could care less about the moon, or Mars.

Where do you get they didn't have the tech to do Moon landings in the 1960's? That's all quite doable. They could land probes on the Moon, even the Russians were able to land two large Rovers on the Moon in 1970 and 1973.

You can see the Moon Reconnaissance Orbiter photos right now. And the Japanese SELENE probe to the Moon & the Chandrayaan-2 Indian Moon orbiter. It would be an incredible job to fake those. They would have to match ground observations and invent fine detail to be compatible with that. For what purpose? A crazy notion.

Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

"...SELENE photographs

In 2008, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) SELENE lunar probe obtained several photographs showing evidence of Moon landings.[1] On the left are two photos taken on the lunar surface by the Apollo 15 astronauts August 2, 1971 during EVA 3 at station 9A near Hadley Rille. On the right is a 2008 reconstruction from images taken by the SELENE terrain camera and 3D projected to the same vantage point as the surface photos. The terrain is a close match within the SELENE camera resolution of 10 metres.

AS15-82-11121: Apollo 15 Lunar Roving Vehicle

AS15-82-11121: Apollo 15 Lunar Roving Vehicle

AS15-82-11122: Apollo 15 photo

AS15-82-11122: Apollo 15 photo

3D SELENE reconstructed photo

3D SELENE reconstructed photo

I suppose you figure China's plan to send astronauts to the moon in 2027 is all to make a fake video landing. And all the amateur astronomers and hundreds of foreign science institutes with hundreds of radio & optical telescopes will be suckered in. I still can't figure out why you figure NASA would go to all that incredible expense & trouble to fake a moon landing. If they didn't want to spend the money, just cancel the program, they do it all the time. In fact cancelling these type of mission is the norm not the exception. And yet here they are going to great lengths and cost to do another series of human moon landings. I suppose you figure that's going to be fake too? Artemis missions? Fake? SpaceX's plans for private Moon flyby mission, already financed by a Japanese billionaire with the Youtuber, Everyday Astronaut selected as one passenger. Fake mission?

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Why was as a complex and elaborate landing procedure required on Mars but not on the moon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwinFP8_qIM

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Because Mars has much stronger gravity than the Moon. While still having too thin an atmosphere to really slow a lander down by aerobraking as you can do on Earth. It's just a numbers game and that just makes Mars much harder. Also it takes substantially more delta-V to get propellant all the way to Mars than to the Moon.

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You also need a lot more propellant if you can't use parachutes. This numbers game isn't exactly clear cut

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No one doubted the moon landings until Capricorn One came out.

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I remember that comment of yours! For i said to myself ‘how right he is’ !

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Will watch this documentary. Thanks for linking Mark. One thing that has become apparent, that I'm not sure will be covered in the documentary, is that Mossad agents were all over the part of the hijacking team that resided in Florida prior to the attacks, and the "dancing Israelis" gave away more than they should have when interrogated by the FBI. Not to mention Ehud Barak's immediate appearance on the BBC telling us all the Palestinians are our enemies too.

Of course the attack on the Pentagon was clearly not an airplane from the video we have. It looks like a missile in fact. I do hope the reality of this terrible conspiracy as well as the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King can finally be admitted and dealt with or I fear our culture will simply continue to collapse.

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"The dancing Israelis" was about as credible an action as Lee Harvey Oswald's "Marxist" activism in the streets of New Orleans. No Mossad officers would put on so flagrant a performance that New Yorkers called the cops on them (with their arrest conveniently reported by ABC News) unless their "celebration" was MEANT to be "exposed."

I suspect that that whole spectacle was a joint CIA/Mossad operation, intended both to exculpate the former (by casting Israel as 9/11's ONLY author) and to scare American Jews away from questioning the official story.

CIA did something similar in 1963, to keep the left from looking deeply into JFK's murder.

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My interpretation wasn't to make Israel the "only" author (obviously, the planes element wasn't Israelis) rather that they got "outsiders" to be responsible for the dastardly deed of bringing the buildings down with all those poor people in them, they couldn't have gotten US citizens to do that job they got "outsiders".

But then I woke up. They used US demolition companies and while you might get health professionals to do dastardly deeds based on over a century of medical fraudulence you can't get demolition professionals to only partially evacuate buildings for a terror story, especially when you only want people to believe a terror story, you don't want the terror story for real .... and you don't need to kill anyone, you can simply evacuate the buildings and have actors play the bereaved and make people up and give some people new identities, etc.

Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda.

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But they did kill all those people. Even the plane passengers and crew were likely gassed and killed at Westover Air Base, where they actually flew to, leaving the drones to hit the two towers, while the one meant to hit WTC7 had a control malfunction and veered off course and had to be shot down. And no it did not fly into a little hole in the ground.

. From the phone calls one gets that they were using foreign surrogates, likely Middle Eastern or Eastern Europe nationalities to do the dirty work. There were bodies discovered in closets by police in the towers before the collapse, so likely they murdered some of the people involved in the demolition work.

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What about these questions:

1. If 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured, why, on the morning of 9/11, did ABC's Cynthia McFadden say in front of Bellevue Hospital emergency entrance "these empty wheelchairs and stretchers say it all" and then in the evening outside the trauma centre set up in West Manhattan say "You can see this parade of ambulances behind me here … we’ve been seeing ambulances coming through all day and rescue vehicles, all of them for the most part empty with the exception of some rescue workers and some other rescuers at the scene."

https://youtu.be/Zw_IfI9BcEw

https://youtu.be/LhGfXPGh5kI

2. Why weren't the recordings of the 118 firefighter "oral histories" published in addition to the "transcripts"? What were the transcripts based on if not the recordings?

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_03.html

3. Why is there no reference to any of the 343 deaths of their colleagues in the 118 firefighter "oral histories"? (If you find one let me know.)

4. Why do the 118 firefighter "oral histories" contain numerous nonsensicalities, eg, a route to the WTC (located at the southern tip of Manhattan) from the Upper East Side via Second Ave, Houston and West Side Hwy when the east side FDR Dr would be much more convenient especially when there is no southbound turn from Houston.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/nonsensicalities-in-the-911-firefighter

5. Why do none of the images of the injured show the signs of serious injury such as burns and the maiming expected in the destruction of two 110-storey buildings after being penetrated by planes which set them alight. https://shorturl.at/nopx2

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda

Pearl Harbour - yes similar to 9/11 but not in the way people think

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/pearl-harbour.html

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You are sounding more and more like a CIA sockpuppet with every post, another typical misdirection play that the CIA love to use.

And your argument style is the gish-gallop fallacy. You know damn well people have no time to analyze your bullshit mickey-mouse stories. And won't bother because they are ridiculous. And that's what you rely upon to give some semblance of rationality to what is clearly irrational.

In any case, who cares? Even if your fables were true, and they aren't, it wouldn't change anything. Millions still died due to 9/11 and our rights and freedoms were demolished because of it. The essential point is and always has been that this was not Terrorism, that it was a False Flag Operation that portrays clearly our so-called Democracy is a sham. And you can't believe anything they tell us. And we can expect similar operations to happen in the future, as they have and will. Anthrax attacks. Syria gas attacks. Incubators in Kuwait. Covid plandemic. Whitmer kidnapping plot. Capitol Riot. That's the salient points.

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Actually, most things I link to require little time. The two Cynthia McFadden snippets, for example, are 30s and 1.30 each. It's obvious there are no recordings of the testimonies by just glancing at the page linked to.

A list doesn't mean gish gallop OK? Oh my goodness the facile reasoning. The reason I put a few items in a list is not to snow people with but to provide evidence from a number of angles. Obviously, if I only put a single item you'd come up with an alternative explanation for that one thing, wouldn't you? I want to make a watertight case, not snow you with a gish gallop. Oh my goodness.

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The ambulances were largely empty because you either survived and got away from the towers, or you died. Very view lived who were anywhere near there.

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What you need to be able to do is respond to all the questions with the hypothesis that 3,000 died and 6,000 were injured. What you've done is simply offer an alternative explanation for lack of intake at hospitals and a trauma centre which doesn't debunk the death and injury staged hypothesis and, in fact, is a weaker explanation.

If people were injured in the destructions of two 110-storey buildings we would expect some serious injury, we wouldn't expect everyone to be walking away. Presumably if they brought the buildings down only partly evacuated some people wouldn't have died right there and then they would have died later once they'd reached the hospital.

What you need to do is offer a debunking of the staged death and injury hypothesis not just grab at alternative explanations that don't do a better job of the one for the opposing hypothesis.

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I actually think that at some point in the past few years Professor MacQueen addressed the issue of the recordings. Perhaps when he and a co-writer did a very deep dive into the firefighters history.?

It would take some research but I think the recordings were "disappeared".

Is this train of thought familiar to anyone else?

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Oh Judith, that's what they would have told us, that the recordings "disappeared" but I'm sure the recordings did not disappear, they never happened. What is obvious is that the transcripts are fabrications. Graeme, unfortunately, was too focused on "explosions" to consider other aspects of these alleged "transcripts", for example, the complete absence of reference to the 343 firefighters who allegedly died - the colleagues of these 118 firefighters - and to the nonsensicalities, such as routes from a fire station to the WTC that no one would ever take in real life ... plus many more. Quite honestly, when I look at these transcripts I do wonder what Graeme was thinking. I guess he was so utterly convinced they were genuine the obvious anomalies simply didn't strike him. That's the magic of propaganda!

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/nonsensicalities-in-the-911-firefighter

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Dear Prof. Miller. If I see some 'died suddenly' here in Denmark, where can I send them? I've sent two today to your Substack address - markcrispinmiller@substack.com - but also sent several some month ago that never made it to the compilations, so I stopped as it is literally a painful toll on my damaged brain. But I can't help myself. These stories need to be told - and they seem to be ramping up now. I figured I may have sent them to the wrong address or that the team had just been overwhelmed with mails... 🙏

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Certainly Israel was not the ONLY player in the events of the day, but given the influence of AIPAC in Washington, and given that a dual citizen born in the US Rabbi was Comptroller at the Pentagon in those days, and given the well researched details presented by Christopher Bollyn in his books, it was likely the major player. He is married to an Israeli woman, giving him interesting perspectives

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All the Israel stuff is distraction propaganda which isn't to say that Israel wasn't involved, of course, it was but every man and his dog was in on 9/11 including my own prime minister, John Howard, who happened to be paying a "surprise" visit to Washington on the fateful day. But when we understand exactly what kind of event 9/11 was then we can understand how so many people were involved.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda

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It is not distraction propaganda to understand the role of Israeli companies like Transtech Control Ltd Airfield Management in an event involving airlines. Bollyn covers many other details like Ptech. The more knowledge one can acquire about these details the better one’s chances of understanding the big picture.

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"All propaganda is lies even when one is telling the truth" is a quote from Orwell that massively applies to 9/11.

Israel's involvement may well be important however focus on Israel distracts from what kind of event 9/11 really was.

What about these questions:

1. If 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured, why, on the morning of 9/11, did ABC's Cynthia McFadden say in front of Bellevue Hospital emergency entrance "these empty wheelchairs and stretchers say it all" and then in the evening outside the trauma centre set up in West Manhattan say "You can see this parade of ambulances behind me here … we’ve been seeing ambulances coming through all day and rescue vehicles, all of them for the most part empty with the exception of some rescue workers and some other rescuers at the scene."

https://youtu.be/Zw_IfI9BcEw

https://youtu.be/LhGfXPGh5kI

2. Why weren't the recordings of the 118 firefighter "oral histories" published in addition to the "transcripts"? What were the transcripts based on if not the recordings?

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_03.html

3. Why is there no reference to any of the 343 deaths of their colleagues in the 118 firefighter "oral histories"? (If you find one let me know.)

4. Why do the 118 firefighter "oral histories" contain numerous nonsensicalities, eg, a route to the WTC (located at the southern tip of Manhattan) from the Upper East Side via Second Ave, Houston and West Side Hwy when the east side FDR Dr would be much more convenient especially when there is no southbound turn from Houston.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/nonsensicalities-in-the-911-firefighter

5. Why do none of the images of the injured show the signs of serious injury such as burns and the maiming expected in the destruction of two 110-storey buildings after being penetrated by planes which set them alight. https://shorturl.at/nopx2

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda

Pearl Harbour - yes similar to 9/11 but not in the way people think

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/pearl-harbour.html

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We agree to disagree. Just as it did with the USS Liberty in 1967, and with the considerable cooperation of traitors in the US government, Israel attacked this country. That means it is NOT an ally.

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"The Dancing Israelis" is an urban legend. I could be wrong, but my recollection is that on the day of 9/11 (and that week) the "dancing" men were described as "Middle Eastern looking." Maybe they were local color propaganda. The story morphed and changed. At some point later it became "Israelis." But as I remember it, the story started out as dancing "Middle Eastern" people.

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Yes, you are probably correct. These operations are extremely sophisticated. Creating a lot of FUD and misdirection, even if it leads to vague questions about an "ally", works to the benefit of the conspirators. And yes it led American Jews, a lot of whom work in the media, to viscerally jump to Israel's defense. Jack Ruby was Jewish, and Oswald was painted as possibly a Soviet agent.

I've written a bit about this myself based on some writings from Ron Unz who points out an important point about the coverup mechanics of large conspiracies. Since the CIA, as an institution, was not involved in the JFK assassinations and Oswald "may have had Soviet ties" or "may have been a CIA asset" the fear of institutional compromise and of potential nuclear holocaust would lead the bulk of the CIA who were innocent of any knowledge of the assassination to reflexively support the "lone-gunman" theory -- which thus provided cover for any of its members who actually were part of the operation.

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Mark, thank you for this. James Corbett had a discussion about it the other day. Dr MacQueen was very sick when he completed this documentary. Sadly, I hadn’t heard of him until a couple of months ago. He was a wonderful man and it’s very sad that he’s gone.

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9/11 was an inside job to facilitate a war in the Middle East. If you don't know that by now I am afraid there's little hope for you.

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Yes but what kind of inside job?

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda

Are you familiar with fellow Australian, Gerard Holmgren's early work on 9/11? Sadly, he died in 2010 of an aggressive brain tumour. I've just published a homage page to him if you're interested with a link to his archived website and on the page itself, his satire, Debunking Conspiracy Theorists.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/debunking-conspiracy-theorists

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Ya. I'm aware of this stuff and much more. Thanks.

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nazi empire as a USA business venture(36:00), "..JFK to 911 ..A Rich Man's Trick..": https://archive.org/details/JFKTo911

"..1918 ..Fourteen nations from the west ..attacked Russia ..to foreclose communism ..failed ..revived with the Nazis as ..military vanguard..": http://www.greanvillepost.com/2017/09/18/condemned-to-repeat-it-history-as-rerun/

"..1939, 20,000 Americans rallied in New York's Madison Square Garden to celebrate the rise of Nazism ..entirely from archival footage..": https://anightatthegarden.com/

"..2020 ..UN ..US & Ukraine vote AGAINST anti-Nazi resolution ..EU ..UK ..abstained..": https://www.rt.com/news/509899-us-opposes-nazi-vote/

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Thank you. I look forward to watching. These efforts by good people, mean more than we can often see.

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This dovetails (hah doves) with an essay by Michael Chossuodovsky who re-wrote the narrative of our early involvement in Afghanistan (thus overturning the feel-good 'Charley's War' sentiment.) He writes:

“According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul.

And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.” (Former National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, Interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, 15-21 January 1998)"

Ugh. I am now a diehard dove fan of Ron Paul. No foreign war involvement. Too much fog on what or who is right. On a forgotten history YT, the commentator outlined how Wilson ran as a peace president and then got the US into a war that happened to help his financial friends. Like WWII, WWI was a brutal war where young men - mostly white who somehow didn't get their privilege pass - died or were severely injured.

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Hijackers? What hijackers? Since there is no video of any of them boarding planes in the airports of departure and they are not on the flight manifests I'm not sure why this assumption regarding these so-called hijackers still exists. The existence of some being given visas they never should have had does place those individuals in the country and attending flight schools, but that seems to have been part of the set-up, including Atta & his partner explicitly drawing attention to themselves shortly before the event. They certainly couldn't fly those planes and there is zero evidence of them on the planes.

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How people still think there were planes at all defies my comprehension. [EDIT: Actually that's not correct - I know people saw planes (whatever they saw), what's important though is that whatever they saw it wasn't the alleged passenger airliners.]

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They were obviously drones. You can see the control pod on the bottom of the drone that hit WTC2. Standard Air Force control pod, manufactured by Martin Marietta corp.

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At the 9/11 Truth anniversary event in (I think) 2016, a cleaning woman in a nearby building told of seeing the first plane come right toward her, before it veered around her building toward its target; and that she clearly saw NO pilot flying it.

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Yes, I've also heard witnesses claim they had no windows. And a local resident signed an affidavit that she saw a United Airlines 757 flying into Westover that morning, so low that she thought it might crash. They had Westover Air Base evacuated of all personal that morning. And that would be where the impossible phone calls were made.

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I know that drones were used to hit the towers. What happened to the people that were supposedly on the "planes?"

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They were flown to Westover Air Base which was evacuated that morning, all personal sent home or told not to show up for work that day. Witness seen the United 757 fly very low over the town then. At the base the planes were moved into hangars and that's where the passengers/crew made the impossible phone calls, including one ending with "it's a frame". Likely after that they were gassed and murdered.

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I think we need to take with a pinch of salt anything said by alleged witnesses because clearly some witnesses are hired which isn't to say the cleaning lady isn't genuine and telling the truth. I know someone who was in the vicinity of the WTC on 9/11 and said he saw a plane heading towards the South Tower although from his vantage point he didn't see it penetrate. The thing is it doesn't matter what was or wasn't flying around the WTC, it wasn't any of the alleged passenger airliners containing passengers and that's the only thing that really counts. Nobody died in a plane crash, that's the real issue ... and that is an issue that many truthers gloss over. Nobody died in a plane crash which means right off the bat 265 people did not die in a plane ... a slippery slope to questioning what deaths were real in the buildings.

Notice how A&E is going gangbusters while Pilots for 9/11 Truth is as dead as a dodo? The propaganda has moved along. First it was on both the buildings and planes ... but gradually it's moved to be almost exclusively on the buildings. It's all about the buildings where, in fact, the planes are really more revealing.

1. If the planes were faked then we need not spend a second on the buildings as fake planes automatically means controlled destructions of the buildings. (It doesn't work the other way.)

2. The planes keeps the focus more on the ludicrous failure of defence, the buildings doesn't.

3. If the planes were faked, nobody died in a plane ... they want to keep the focus away from fakery of death.

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I lived in NYC on 9/11 and believe me, there was not "fakery of death." There were planes, possibly not commercial planes. The planes certainly did not cause the twin towers and WTC 7 to collapse. Also, I knew of someone who died on the flight that allegedly crashed in Shanksville. They owned or were related to the owner of a shoe store in a NJ town I covered as a newspaper reporter. I have always wondered what really happened to that person. Apparently, they did in fact die or they disappeared. They were grandmotherly and known by lots of people. I doubt they were a secret CIA asset.

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People don't have to be secret CIA assets, they just need to be given the right "incentive" to go into a Witness Protection Program equivalent. You would not believe the number of people I know somehow connected to psyops including someone whose insurance agent was allegedly killed in the towers. Like you I wonder what the hell happens to these people? Where do they go. Grandmother? She needed to go into a nice nursing home far away? Grandchild she wanted to put through college? Grandparents can have loads and loads of reasons to participate in these things.

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BECAUSE THERE WERE PLanes and hundreds of people saw them ! All of you are nuts and it makes me wonder why I’m keeping company with you on substack. You think you sound wise, but all of you are foolish.

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You're right - people saw planes. I know someone who was there and he said he saw a plane heading to the South Tower but he didn't see it penetrate as his vantage point didn't allow it. The point isn't whether or not there were planes though the real point is that whatever people saw it wasn't the nominated passenger airliners which means none of the alleged 265 passenger deaths occurred in a plane - at least not according to the evidence. That's the main point: no one died in a plane.

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Yes, they did. Your convoluted , twisted made up account of events takes much more faith to believe in than the simple tragic truth of the day. You all don’t need to make what happened into something else- it was bad enough.

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Patricia, I make it simpler. It was a demolition job plus a massive Full-Scale Anti-Terror Exercise comprising a number of smaller exercises and drills, many of which they informed us of plus quite a few they didn't. That's basically it in a nutshell.

You know why I'm a good analyst? Because I'm detached. Sure, I felt bad for those people in the buildings, first when I thought it was terrorists, and then when I thought it was the US govt who cold-bloodedly and callously let those people die. Sure I felt bad for them, pretty bad ... but then when I started seeing people say the deaths were faked I'm like, "Oh yes, I can see that some would be faked but that person lost his son and he seems genuine - I can see some deaths were faked, some not." Eventually, though I got it in an amazing epiphany. All the dominoes cascaded. Oh I get it, I get it, it was just a big exercise and they had two propaganda campaigns - one targeted to the believers and one targeted to the disbelievers.

Even though I felt bad for the people who I thought died I wasn't massively invested in their deaths. You cannot afford to be massively invested in anything you're told by people in power. They are always manipulating our emotions ... or trying their level best to.

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So, ramming planes into the buildings weren’t enough, they had to explode them to? A feat that would take a massive amount of time and expertise, as I understand it. Or missiles and explosives. That’s just nuts. These actions as recounted by the company here would require massive silence on the part of dozens and dozens and dozens of people. All psychopathic. But now we are on to covid and lock down and the Great Reset - none of that is conspiracy because Soros came out and said all of it. But people won’t take the threat seriously if it comes from ‘flat earthers’.

I personally don’t believe in Darwins theory of Evolution, but someone could be an ‘expert’ and go on and on and on about why this lines up that lines up and all I could do is know what I know , Who made the whole thing and that Darwin was a godless man who did not know some simple truths.

ANd why in the world would Rumsfeld. ( not a friend of mine but actually a friend of a friend ) freely tell the world about the ‘missing’ money and then go bomb the information. Why disclose at all ? It makes no sense . None of it makes any sense.

Building 7 was a mess- it had been hit by debris, it had large propane tanks in the building for their use. And apparently in 2007 a steel building on fire all day collapsed - just like building 7. I could go on and on but it’s a waste of time .

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On Bitchute there are videos explaining that the footage of the planes flying into the WTC were actually holograms. If one looks closely, it is obvious that it is all an illusion.

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Whatever people saw on the day isn't what we're shown on TV. On TV it's definitely CGI but what people saw - I don't know - but they saw something - they just didn't see the passenger airliners and that's the main point. No passenger airliner crashes means right off the bat nobody died in a plane.

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How do you explain the plane shaped hole in the first tower?

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I don't but what I do know is: the evidence for the alleged passenger airliners crashing is against their reality in about a million different ways. I know someone who was there who saw a plane so maybe there was a military plane although what they show us on TV is not what people saw in the location. I don't know but what's important is that it wasn't any of the alleged airliners which means that the 265 people who allegedly died in a plane did not.

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Petra, what happened to the planes?

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So Petra, WHAT hit the top of the buildings to work in concert with the demolition?

If not planes, or those specific planes, WHAT happened to the people who actually boarded planes that day and perished?

Or do you believe no one boarded any of those flights, and no one perished?

If a missile hit the pentagon, what happened to Flight 77 that Barbara Olson was on?

We know there was controlled demolition. What's the rest of the story? All of it.

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I judge by the evidence. I don't think anyone boarded planes, however, I don't know that they didn't. I don't know what happened to Barbara Olson. Perhaps she was a deliberate target. Perhaps she was too loose with her tongue about 9/11 prior or perhaps she was taken into confidence and wasn't happy about what was happening and they decided she needed to go, that she might dangerously reveal the truth. Who knows? But there's no evidence of anyone dying in a plane and some of the people were obviously made up (though obviously not all).

There's no evidence of anyone dying so if anyone died they must have been deliberate targets and that's something separate to the actual 9/11 psyop.

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"..Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11..": http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

"..Biden ..if Israel didn't exist, the US would have to invent one..": https://youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

"..War Reserve Stockpile Ammunition-Israel ..WRSA-I ..Israel can request to access ..need to be approved by the US congress ..ammunition, smart bombs, missiles, military vehicles and a military hospital with 500 beds. These supplies are situated in six different locations throughout the country..": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reserve_stock

"..pools of Molten Steel found at all 3 World Trade Center collapses..": https://youtube.com/watch?v=nqJSDn5dgJc

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Why would the mainstream media be telling us the Five Dancing Israelis story and undermine their Arab terrorist story? The dancing Israelis is propaganda directed to the anticipated disbelievers of their nonsense story.

We're told that Controlled Demolition, Inc (CDI) cleaned up the rubble after 9/11. Who do you think more likely to be involved in the demolition of all those buildings? CDI or Five Dancing Israelis - I swallowed the Five Dancing Israelis for a few years. I so clearly remember thinking, "Oh I see they got outsiders to do the dastardly deed of bringing down the buildings. They couldn't get US citizens to kill all those poor people they used Israelis."

But then I woke up. They used US citizens indeed (which isn't to say they didn't get Israelis in on it, I believe they're good at it) but there would have been US citizens involved in the massive demolition job. How did they do it? They evacuated the buildings. So simple. They evacuated the buildings before they brought them down.

Ironically, you can propagandise and coerce thousands of health professionals to inject people with substances that injure, maim and kill and also propagandise and coerce millions to have those substances injected into them based on over a century of scientific fraudulence .... but you cannot propagandise demolition professionals to only partially evacuate buildings before destroying them. That won't fly.

There was a False Dilemma propaganda strategy employed for 9/11 - they targeted the anticipated believers and the anticipated disbelievers with two different propaganda streams.

https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/911-the-false-dilemma-propaganda

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The dancing Israelis story was far more specifically intended to inject the Israel-did-it line into the discourse of 9/11 Truth, so as to scare American Jews away from questioning the official story; and also to help exculpate the CIA/DoD.

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do zionists believe right now is "the messianic era"?

“..Where in the Torah does it say Jews can’t have a state?..”: http://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/source1

“..Judaism rejects the state of Israel ..Jewish holiday ..prayer ..because of our sins we were exiled from our land and removed from our soil and we cannot now go up and appear and prostrate ourselves before You..”: https://www.islam21c.com/politics/judaism-rejects-the-state-of-israel/

“..ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA..”: http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

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zionism is the antithesis of judaism..

"..Transfer Agreement ..between the Nazis and Zionists..": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transfer_Agreement

"..Jews are opposed to Israel’s occupation of Palestine..": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A0Owxvhtwc

"..Zionism’s flawed vision of Israel, by Rabbi Dow Marmur.. Zionists aren’t Jewish..": http://www.balfourproject.org/christian-zionisms-flawed-vision-of-israel-rabbi-dow-marmur/

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I'm not so sure about this line of reasoning. Israel certainly played a major role in the 9/11 attacks, as did the US alphabet agencies, and others in the globalist elitist class.

American Jews along with Americans in general were all scared of questioning the official story. That is still true 22 years later. We didn't need some bogus dancing Israeli psy-op to further scare American Jews away from questioning the official story. If the plan was to lay all the blame on Israel, then the FBI would not have just released these Mossad agents to fly back to their mother country to brag about their experiences. Most American Jews still believe in this Arab bad, Israel US good narrative, and most do not even know about the dancing Israelis.

The creation and continued existence of the Israeli state is one of the largest injustices in human history. Since the creation, the world has watched and allowed the open ethnocide of the Palestinians and it is still going on today. 9/11 served many purposes and one of them was certainly to continue pouring US dollars into the terrorist state of Israel under the guise of "defense". But I'm preaching to the choir here.

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And I'm still waiting for the RFK Jr - Max Blumenthal discussion.

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No they didn't evacuate the buildings. That's ridiculous. They murdered those people. You think they care, those guys kill millions every year with their wars. They're Psychopaths, real sick, demented individuals. And parasites.

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maybe they're proud of their accomplishments..

"..The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv ..reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."..": https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/04/16/quotable-netanyahu-says-israel-benefitted-from-911/

"..War Reserve Stockpile Ammunition-Israel ..WRSA-I ..Israel can request to access ..need to be approved by the US congress ..ammunition, smart bombs, missiles, military vehicles and a military hospital with 500 beds. These supplies are situated in six different locations throughout the country..": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reserve_stock

"..Biden ..if Israel didn't exist ..would have to invent one to protect US interests..": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

"..Israeli military attacked the USS Liberty ..goal ..leave no survivors..": https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/17/a-uss-libertys-heros-passing/

"..cold ..murder of american soldiers..": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLSi55vukY

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maybe interesting, probably at least some "far out" parts, definitely not short "thread" about 9/11 stuff..

"..WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 9/11 Part 1 - The Narrative ..MASSIVE THREAD..": https://twitter.com/PunishDem1776/status/1699164020694012052

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Never forget the lying bastards who murdered us 22 years ago today and remain as yet unpunished.

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That's an excellent documentary. From watching this and another one, the nail in the coffin for me is that you can quite clearly see the smoke from the detonation charges before the buildings collapse. It's even a different colour from the burning building smoke. I was living in California when it happened. As someone who hails from a neutral country, it was very intense to see how riled up the people became so quickly...was very intense when out in the pub and suddenly the whole crowd would start chanting USA...also at night for several weeks, they had airplanes patrolling up and down the california coast "to thwart any other attacks" . You'd hear them as you fell asleep. i guess this was all part of the mind control of the population.

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This is a tremendous documentary.

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FYI, the northeast/ Maine etc is forecast to have strong winds from the hurricane that is in Atlantic now....watch for ‘wildfires’

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BREAKING: On 9/11 2023 FDA Authorized New "Safe and Effective" COVID-19 "Vaccines"

Also: Top Health Official Warns Public Not to Take ‘Boosters’ Due to Safety Concerns

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/breaking-on-911-2023-fda-authorized?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=581065&post_id=136952580&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=c55mw&utm_medium=email

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Holograms and explosive thermite with sulfur.

https://rumble.com/v2ucifo-project-blue-beam-at-dubai-on-june-2nd-2023-202362-.html

https://rumble.com/v11xdfo-project-blue-beam-projected-fake-airplanes-on-911-to-stop-nesara-21-years-a.html

“ the enemy of truth is blind acceptance.” Matthew Arnold… British social critic and poet.

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