Those unhinged violent leftists aren't the problem. The problem is those unhinged violent globalists; and saying otherwise is only playing into their hands.
Those unhinged violent leftists aren't the problem. The problem is those unhinged violent globalists; and saying otherwise is only playing into their hands.
They are both problems. But, my point is that the globalists are attempting to starve us creating chaos and famine. By the way, I greatly admire you and your writings.
I'd say there's armed and violent people on all sides... The "far right" and gun owners in the US are hunters, a lot of them. It's not a political thing, always, or even much, maybe.
Say what? Take a look at who has shot who throughout history. Guess those fellas in Russia and China are far rightists. Nazis, BTW, where not on the right.
You mean the comparative UPSTARTS in the mass killing game...whose (actual, as opposed to implausibly exaggerated) body counts are clearly dwarfed by Rightist (Capitalist) Regimes, over the same periods?
And NO. The mere presence of the word "Socialist" doesn't make Nazis leftists - any more that the DPRK are Republicans. They hijacked a workers party, and then turned the lumpenproletariat into foot soldiers for the Capitalist elites - AGAINST the leftists, first in Germany - and the later in Eastern Europe and Russia. They meshed well with Ukrainian and Polish fascists, too.
"Characteristics of Fascism" by Lawrence Britt Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism that appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Lawrence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The 14 characteristics are:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free-expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." тАХ Franklin D. Roosevelt
Lefties taking out other lefties do not make them righties.
Fascism is incompatible with the right as it includes government control of business, amount other things.
The Ten Charateristics.
1. As with China and the Soviet Union. 2. As with China and the Soviet Union and the political Left in the US today. 3. As with China and the Soviet Union and the political Left in the US today. 4. As with China and the Soviet Union. 6. As with China and the Soviet Union and the US today. Those being тАЬcancelledтАЭ are rarely on the Left, and when they are, it is because they question the Left. 7. As with China and the Soviet Union. 8. Communism and often socialism are Sate religions. 9. Yes, but this is NOT an idea held by the Right in the US. Who was it that forced banks restrict corporate account holders based upon the policies they supported? 10. The Left in the US owes much of its power to labor unions but have long not been on the side of the memberships of them. 11 and 12 are of issue in the US today but can not be creditably argued as anything other than the pendulum swing back after excesses. 13. Long been a growing problem in the US. However, I will refer to my earlier question on who subordinated the banking sector to enforce its political policies. FATCA/FBAR and CBT are other areas to look into too. 14. Even been threatened with death as a child because your guardian witnessed ballot box stuffing as an election judge in a country that had never elected anything but democrats to any office since the civil war? I have. The threat was delivered to my guardian when they asked тАЬWhat is this!?тАЭ When after the polls closed a large number of ballots were brought in the back door and dumped in tho the ballot box. The threat was delivered openly in front of the Sheriff who stared at my guardian as it was delivered. learned of this years later when I told my guardian that the crews of US naval vessels home-ported in Japan did not receive their ballots in time to vote for the election that Bill Clinton won. Inquiries indicated that this may have been a service wide problem.
In reference to FDRтАЩs quote, look into the ESG scoring system.
AGAIN - Nazis are not now - and never were - "the left". That's a rightwing canard and a persistent fallacious trope. If you want to get set-straight in a debate, in short order - try running that past Professor Richard Wolff, who has heard that brand of nonsense, before.
Congratulations - it sounds like you're slowly coming around to the awareness that you live in a Fascist = Corporatist = "Corporate Socialist" Police State. Which we've been, at least since the Civil War, to some extent - but ever increasingly so.
Neither Bill Clinton, nor Hillary Rodham are actual leftists... Nor have they ever been, in reality. She's a "Goldwater Girl" sent in, to infiltrate the left long ago. Her college thesis means nothing - Saul Alinsky is nobody on the actual left. We never talk about him - but maybe she does, I have no idea.
FDR was an Elite Corporatist - a scion of the Delano family (opium pushers for the Queen, in China). The Wobblies, and people in the CIO were leftists - the AFL - much less so.
What you're pointing towards is the reality that both the USSR and China were TOTALITARIAN States. Communism doesn't kill people - Nation STATES kill people. And the elevation of the State to a "religion", is a common trait in almost every State. But what the USSR had, and the PRC have - is nothing like the Religious States of France or England, or Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Fr. Blase Bonpane, used to preach leftist fire and brimstone about the religion of "Americanism" which is the platform upon which Trump stood - and many before him. That is significantly different from Theocracy, or the marriage between the Catholic Church and the Third Reich, under Pius the 2nd.
Vietnam and Cuba,are both significantly better for Human Rights, than either the US Empire, or their US-backed prior Governments.
Let's not forget that the USSR was founded by a guy with backing from German Intelligence, and was funded by Wall Street.
And from it's very inception - it was assailed from without, and within, by invasion, civil warfare, and internal dissension - all fueled by people like "Reilly Ace of Spies", the UK, US, Wall Street and City of London.
That kind of stuff can rightly make you paranoid. And it led directly, to something called "War Communism" - and the rise of a Totalitarian Police State.
The Paris Commune wasn't known for it's Gulags or Secret Police. Nothing in Marx and Engles demands a Totalitarian approach...being surrounded by a planet full of ruthless nations, committed to your destruction does that, all by itself.
Please compare the Communists in this video - rallying for the Metaphorical death of the Klan - as a racist, rightwing organization - to the Klansmen who showed up - with the blessings of the local cops, and the FBI, to kill them, in a very non-metaphorical way.
I've been an Anti-Fascist, since the 1970's. There is no Grand Lodge of Anti-Fascism handing out Charters and Membership cards - like there is for the Klan, and various other Rightwing bodies. ANYONE can declare themselves to be "Antifa", sadly...even cops and intelligence assets... And promoting violence between left and right is a "strategy of tension" that goes back quite a ways. Frankly, some of these little idiots calling themselves "Antifa" piss me off enough that I want to slap the taste out of their mouths, too. But they are hardly a monolith. And the lack of prosecutions for the violence and "rioting" in 2020 - along with my own first hand observations, tells me that most of that was done by Feds and Cops and Informants - Like "Umbrella Man" from Minneapolis. He was rightly ID'ed as a St. Paul cop - despite their belated, and unconvincing attempt, to provide him with an Alibi. The other guy, that they tried to pin that on, was a Prison Nazi, and part of an Outlaw MC...SO CLEARLY, not a leftist in either event.
#9 is TOTALLY true of the Right in the US - which is why the Koch Brothers spent so much $ on bolstering the Tea Party and modern GOP. It's still Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare, at the end of the day - that even Dominionist Xristianists are supporting. People have rights, and aren't even subject to US or STATE Income Taxes, in the several States. But PERSONS - are ALWAYS within the US Corporation, and in Interstate commerce, as a De Jure Matter. So keeping the rightwing shock troops confused, and hyped about Taxes - serves the goals of Koch Industries - which is a PERSON, and not a living breathing child of God. Keeping people confused about who and where they really are - is part of the scam that keeps the right fighting against their own interests.
Along with all of racist Obama caricatures, depicting him as witch doctor, complete with a bone through his nose...one of my favorite Tea Party signs was "Keep Your Government Hands Off of MY MEDICARE!!!". Yeah... That was a real thing.
Even one of the Koch brothers' think tanks admitted - that a Single Payer system, would improve healthcare distribution, while lowering costs overall. Now that doesn't mean a Nationalized Medicare Bureaucracy, necessarily. It COULD mean that every private Doctor and Hospital just sends their bills in to the Treasury, the same way that the Pentagon does... with no questions asked. The experience of the last few years has cured me of any desire to see HHS doing ANYTHING, but cutting checks to Hospitals and Doctors, based upon mutual and informed consent with the patients, and ethical medicine as each provider sees it. And prior to this attempted Genocide - Single Payer healthcare was actually majority popular, even with the Republican base... about 70%+ popular overall, with all voters.
Yes, we have all heard the тАЬBut pure communism hasnтАЩt been triedтАЭ argument. Human nature prevents it. China and the Soviet Union are the natural progression of a system that must take possession of private property to set up.
Yes, CubaтАЩs human rights are so wonderful that people risk dying at sea to escape it. Likewise, the US so bad that there are not large numbers risking death to enter.
As a friend of mine liked to say, apply the gate test to different forms of government. Open the gates and see which people flow.
People flee Cuba - because we've been crushing their Economy for more than 60 years - with an Illegal blockade and Sanctions. And the CIA beams messages into their country telling them that the goodlife and a hand up onto the deck of a US Vessel - is just a raft ride away.
The vast majority of Cubans are happy with their Government - and that's why our Coup and Color Revolution attempts always go nowhere. You know who wants to flee ti freedom? People in Haiti and Guatemala and El Salvador... But because we support the Tyrrany being imposed upon them - they're NEVER welcome. That's the core of the rightwing Trumpist appeal - turning back the people (refugees/asylum seekers) fleeing the effects of OUR NeoLiberal and Fascist foreign policies.
If 'Socialism Never Works' - why do we have to spend TRILLIONS trying to destroy it? You'd think we could just stand back and watch it organically collapse into its own footprint, at freefall speed - like WTC7...
NO. The reality is that Venezuela, under Chavez had a rapidly improving set of social metrics (life expectancy, literacy, decreasing infant mortality and homelessness rates, etc.), and a GROWING GDP... People were fleeing there, from the NeoLiberal paradise in Colombia. Which is WHY the US declared them to be a "bad(=good) example" that had to be subjected to redoubled hybrid warfare efforts. And STILL people are poor there - but they have healthcare and access to education. The Slums of Caracas have been replaced with Social Housing... If you're looking for people sleeping under bridges - you need to head somewhere else. That's not really a thing, there or in Cuba.
Do I need to go into Bolivia? Morales cut extreme poverty rates in half, in just a decade or so. That's why Trump and the fascists had to do a Coup. And given a somewhat free and fair election - the Coup leader just got replaced, and sentenced to 10 years in prison (the Government is appealing for a longer sentence - and she deserves it. If they had the Death Penalty - that would be the appropriate punishment). Apparently the Bolivians didn't get the memo, from the well endowed Rothschild Chairs in Anti-Communism.
Bullshit - we had equal access to unaffordable care, that bankrupts the sick, and makes insurance companies and Wall Street quite wealthy. Barack Obama had the perfect opportunity to push through a Single Payer system - since the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress... But they represent Wall Street and Goldman Sachs - not their voters... And you had the Kochs warning everyone to avoid a system that a decade later, they admitted works better, for less cost (and less rapacious Wall Street profits, too). That's why we started the Occupy Movement - which was remarkably diverse in its makeup and political spread.
I haven't been to Japan since I was an exchange student under Reagan, in 1984. So I can't speak to their system of healthcare.
There still are. We just AREN'T supporters of the Blue Team in the MONOPARTY Kayfabe.
So anyone $hilling for the Democrats is either not really on the left - or they're VERY confused, and playing some kind of "long game", that they're doomed to lose. Few people know this - but Barack Hussein Obama - is Dick Cheney's cousin. He comes from a CIA family, not a socialist one...and his REAL dad wasn't even Kenyan...
The Blue Team has adopted 'Wokeness', as an attempt to indulge a popular impulse on the left, that need not become the pathology that they have deliberately turn it into. The basis for what some now call CRT - I've always known as "American History" + "Ethnic Studies". I took many upper division classes that explored those ideas, without any injury to my whiteness. But the BEST classes in that vein, also took into account Class and Power...
Prior to the movement against Unaccountable (often racist and/or classist) Police Violence and Murders - being hijacked by some unscrupulous opportunists, and rebranded as "BLM" - some REAL LEFTISTS started the StolenLives.org project, and October22.org coalition. Those groups were old enough to vote, before BLM was a hashtag... Look at the pictures in the collage of victims at the first site. There's plenty of white folks. But because the organizational basis was universal, non-divisive and class based...they couldn't get two column inches in any paper... Even when the cops showed up and brutally attacked them, in Police Riots. And never were their names heard on the nightly news, either. They were a populist appeal that could cross over from poor right to poor left. The Democrats hated them just as much as the Republicans.
And I will perhaps be willing to join you, and make common cause on many issues.
My politics for the commons are on the left - but until we have human socialism, I eschew any Government Handouts or assistance - because the costs are too high, and the deal being offered just SUCKS...
And I'm capable enough, and have enough "privilege" that I can squeak by without it. But I understand that the disabled, for instance, may need help. And those who've been wronged historically, deserve to be made whole, too. Aetna Insurance started off insuring the Slave Trade. That's a corporate liability.
But I happen to be a small r republican, who lives in the California Republic state. I'm not a "Republican" per se. In fact I'm Peace and Freedom, currently - but considering a switch to the Movement for a People's Party. The Jab cultishness and stupidity of fauxgressive wokeness is beginning to push me away from the P&F crew.
I will work with all people of good faith and conscience. Join me, won't you?
A great speaker on history and propaganda about and versus the left - is Michael Parenti. ScrewUToob is littered with shadow banned videos, that come right up with a simple websearch. I highly recommend him.
Those fellas? Who are you talking about? Are you saying Nazis were "leftists"? Up until recently, when up became down, boys became girls, and lies became truth, the "right" was considered to be "conservative," and the "left" considered "liberal." Who knows what's what these days, as per the "media." The MEDIA is sure "liberal"-- with their bullshit and utter nonsense. But that's the nature of propaganda, no? lol The entire planet has gone completely insane...
Socialists are NOT on the right. Yes, classical liberalism meant freedom from government and it certainly does not now, nor has it for a long time. The majority of violent attacks are not from the right. Antifa, BLM and others behind violent attacks in the US are of the left and their actions by far outnumber those from the right. Mass shootings too.
Well, okay. You're using the terms that are being tossed around as if they actually apply... Not by YOU, I mean tossed around by our corporate bull pucky media pretending to be "journalism." But all these terms have been undone and re-configured to further confuse the issues...It's an old game, to confuse everyone. If you think Nazis are the same as "socialists," in the true meaning of socialism, wherein the PEOPLE own the means of production (not always, but usually), that's just a false label. They called themselves "socialists," yes, they sure did, but they were fascists, pure and simple. MY way or the highway (or the gas chamber, maybe), was their basic stance. Anyway, that's the thing about tyranny, the bad guys always make up some wonderful title like "democrats" and then act like absolute fascist (authoritarian, dictatorial) jerks... Because calling themselves "authoritarians" doesn't go down that well. It's all a big game, but then people suffer, and die, so it kinda sucks!
True with the Nazis, but government control of business is not a thing of the right.
CanтАЩt see the rest of the thread, but my comments are against the statement that violence a right thing and not from the left. The nazis may not have been as far left as the Soviets, but that does not place them on the right. Unless oneтАЩs point of reference is between the two. They feared each other only due to fear that that they may lose powers to the other.
In do not have any close to hand, but there are some nice comparisons of how many died untimely deaths under leftist governments compared to rightest governments. Not even close. The numbers on the Left side of the chart are far far far higher than those on the Right. Pinochet, yes, a rightie and bad one at that. CanтАЩt hold a candle to Mao or Stalin. Not even close.
Those unhinged violent leftists aren't the problem. The problem is those unhinged violent globalists; and saying otherwise is only playing into their hands.
They are both problems. But, my point is that the globalists are attempting to starve us creating chaos and famine. By the way, I greatly admire you and your writings.
Leftists aren't traditionally armed or violent. That's the far right that you're thinking of.
Where you DO have violent armed "leftists" - you'll usually find a CIA front and FBI Handlers, too. See the SLA, the Manson Family etc..
I'd say there's armed and violent people on all sides... The "far right" and gun owners in the US are hunters, a lot of them. It's not a political thing, always, or even much, maybe.
Say what? Take a look at who has shot who throughout history. Guess those fellas in Russia and China are far rightists. Nazis, BTW, where not on the right.
You mean the comparative UPSTARTS in the mass killing game...whose (actual, as opposed to implausibly exaggerated) body counts are clearly dwarfed by Rightist (Capitalist) Regimes, over the same periods?
And NO. The mere presence of the word "Socialist" doesn't make Nazis leftists - any more that the DPRK are Republicans. They hijacked a workers party, and then turned the lumpenproletariat into foot soldiers for the Capitalist elites - AGAINST the leftists, first in Germany - and the later in Eastern Europe and Russia. They meshed well with Ukrainian and Polish fascists, too.
"Characteristics of Fascism" by Lawrence Britt Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism that appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Lawrence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The 14 characteristics are:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free-expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." тАХ Franklin D. Roosevelt
Oh, nicely said!
Lefties taking out other lefties do not make them righties.
Fascism is incompatible with the right as it includes government control of business, amount other things.
The Ten Charateristics.
1. As with China and the Soviet Union. 2. As with China and the Soviet Union and the political Left in the US today. 3. As with China and the Soviet Union and the political Left in the US today. 4. As with China and the Soviet Union. 6. As with China and the Soviet Union and the US today. Those being тАЬcancelledтАЭ are rarely on the Left, and when they are, it is because they question the Left. 7. As with China and the Soviet Union. 8. Communism and often socialism are Sate religions. 9. Yes, but this is NOT an idea held by the Right in the US. Who was it that forced banks restrict corporate account holders based upon the policies they supported? 10. The Left in the US owes much of its power to labor unions but have long not been on the side of the memberships of them. 11 and 12 are of issue in the US today but can not be creditably argued as anything other than the pendulum swing back after excesses. 13. Long been a growing problem in the US. However, I will refer to my earlier question on who subordinated the banking sector to enforce its political policies. FATCA/FBAR and CBT are other areas to look into too. 14. Even been threatened with death as a child because your guardian witnessed ballot box stuffing as an election judge in a country that had never elected anything but democrats to any office since the civil war? I have. The threat was delivered to my guardian when they asked тАЬWhat is this!?тАЭ When after the polls closed a large number of ballots were brought in the back door and dumped in tho the ballot box. The threat was delivered openly in front of the Sheriff who stared at my guardian as it was delivered. learned of this years later when I told my guardian that the crews of US naval vessels home-ported in Japan did not receive their ballots in time to vote for the election that Bill Clinton won. Inquiries indicated that this may have been a service wide problem.
In reference to FDRтАЩs quote, look into the ESG scoring system.
AGAIN - Nazis are not now - and never were - "the left". That's a rightwing canard and a persistent fallacious trope. If you want to get set-straight in a debate, in short order - try running that past Professor Richard Wolff, who has heard that brand of nonsense, before.
Congratulations - it sounds like you're slowly coming around to the awareness that you live in a Fascist = Corporatist = "Corporate Socialist" Police State. Which we've been, at least since the Civil War, to some extent - but ever increasingly so.
Neither Bill Clinton, nor Hillary Rodham are actual leftists... Nor have they ever been, in reality. She's a "Goldwater Girl" sent in, to infiltrate the left long ago. Her college thesis means nothing - Saul Alinsky is nobody on the actual left. We never talk about him - but maybe she does, I have no idea.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/01/03/there-is-absolutely-no-reason-in-the-world-to-believe-that-bill-clinton-is-a-cia-asset-except-for-all-the-evidence/
https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/
FDR was an Elite Corporatist - a scion of the Delano family (opium pushers for the Queen, in China). The Wobblies, and people in the CIO were leftists - the AFL - much less so.
What you're pointing towards is the reality that both the USSR and China were TOTALITARIAN States. Communism doesn't kill people - Nation STATES kill people. And the elevation of the State to a "religion", is a common trait in almost every State. But what the USSR had, and the PRC have - is nothing like the Religious States of France or England, or Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Fr. Blase Bonpane, used to preach leftist fire and brimstone about the religion of "Americanism" which is the platform upon which Trump stood - and many before him. That is significantly different from Theocracy, or the marriage between the Catholic Church and the Third Reich, under Pius the 2nd.
Vietnam and Cuba,are both significantly better for Human Rights, than either the US Empire, or their US-backed prior Governments.
Let's not forget that the USSR was founded by a guy with backing from German Intelligence, and was funded by Wall Street.
And from it's very inception - it was assailed from without, and within, by invasion, civil warfare, and internal dissension - all fueled by people like "Reilly Ace of Spies", the UK, US, Wall Street and City of London.
https://archive.org/details/HIST3750GreatConspiracyAgainstRussia
That kind of stuff can rightly make you paranoid. And it led directly, to something called "War Communism" - and the rise of a Totalitarian Police State.
The Paris Commune wasn't known for it's Gulags or Secret Police. Nothing in Marx and Engles demands a Totalitarian approach...being surrounded by a planet full of ruthless nations, committed to your destruction does that, all by itself.
Please compare the Communists in this video - rallying for the Metaphorical death of the Klan - as a racist, rightwing organization - to the Klansmen who showed up - with the blessings of the local cops, and the FBI, to kill them, in a very non-metaphorical way.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?324036-1/1979-greensboro-shooting#
I've been an Anti-Fascist, since the 1970's. There is no Grand Lodge of Anti-Fascism handing out Charters and Membership cards - like there is for the Klan, and various other Rightwing bodies. ANYONE can declare themselves to be "Antifa", sadly...even cops and intelligence assets... And promoting violence between left and right is a "strategy of tension" that goes back quite a ways. Frankly, some of these little idiots calling themselves "Antifa" piss me off enough that I want to slap the taste out of their mouths, too. But they are hardly a monolith. And the lack of prosecutions for the violence and "rioting" in 2020 - along with my own first hand observations, tells me that most of that was done by Feds and Cops and Informants - Like "Umbrella Man" from Minneapolis. He was rightly ID'ed as a St. Paul cop - despite their belated, and unconvincing attempt, to provide him with an Alibi. The other guy, that they tried to pin that on, was a Prison Nazi, and part of an Outlaw MC...SO CLEARLY, not a leftist in either event.
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/charlie-kirk-thinks-the-kkk-and-antifascist-protesters-are-equivalent/
#9 is TOTALLY true of the Right in the US - which is why the Koch Brothers spent so much $ on bolstering the Tea Party and modern GOP. It's still Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare, at the end of the day - that even Dominionist Xristianists are supporting. People have rights, and aren't even subject to US or STATE Income Taxes, in the several States. But PERSONS - are ALWAYS within the US Corporation, and in Interstate commerce, as a De Jure Matter. So keeping the rightwing shock troops confused, and hyped about Taxes - serves the goals of Koch Industries - which is a PERSON, and not a living breathing child of God. Keeping people confused about who and where they really are - is part of the scam that keeps the right fighting against their own interests.
Along with all of racist Obama caricatures, depicting him as witch doctor, complete with a bone through his nose...one of my favorite Tea Party signs was "Keep Your Government Hands Off of MY MEDICARE!!!". Yeah... That was a real thing.
Even one of the Koch brothers' think tanks admitted - that a Single Payer system, would improve healthcare distribution, while lowering costs overall. Now that doesn't mean a Nationalized Medicare Bureaucracy, necessarily. It COULD mean that every private Doctor and Hospital just sends their bills in to the Treasury, the same way that the Pentagon does... with no questions asked. The experience of the last few years has cured me of any desire to see HHS doing ANYTHING, but cutting checks to Hospitals and Doctors, based upon mutual and informed consent with the patients, and ethical medicine as each provider sees it. And prior to this attempted Genocide - Single Payer healthcare was actually majority popular, even with the Republican base... about 70%+ popular overall, with all voters.
I have no idea what ESG is.
Then, there are no leftists.
Yes, we have all heard the тАЬBut pure communism hasnтАЩt been triedтАЭ argument. Human nature prevents it. China and the Soviet Union are the natural progression of a system that must take possession of private property to set up.
Yes, CubaтАЩs human rights are so wonderful that people risk dying at sea to escape it. Likewise, the US so bad that there are not large numbers risking death to enter.
As a friend of mine liked to say, apply the gate test to different forms of government. Open the gates and see which people flow.
People flee Cuba - because we've been crushing their Economy for more than 60 years - with an Illegal blockade and Sanctions. And the CIA beams messages into their country telling them that the goodlife and a hand up onto the deck of a US Vessel - is just a raft ride away.
The vast majority of Cubans are happy with their Government - and that's why our Coup and Color Revolution attempts always go nowhere. You know who wants to flee ti freedom? People in Haiti and Guatemala and El Salvador... But because we support the Tyrrany being imposed upon them - they're NEVER welcome. That's the core of the rightwing Trumpist appeal - turning back the people (refugees/asylum seekers) fleeing the effects of OUR NeoLiberal and Fascist foreign policies.
If 'Socialism Never Works' - why do we have to spend TRILLIONS trying to destroy it? You'd think we could just stand back and watch it organically collapse into its own footprint, at freefall speed - like WTC7...
NO. The reality is that Venezuela, under Chavez had a rapidly improving set of social metrics (life expectancy, literacy, decreasing infant mortality and homelessness rates, etc.), and a GROWING GDP... People were fleeing there, from the NeoLiberal paradise in Colombia. Which is WHY the US declared them to be a "bad(=good) example" that had to be subjected to redoubled hybrid warfare efforts. And STILL people are poor there - but they have healthcare and access to education. The Slums of Caracas have been replaced with Social Housing... If you're looking for people sleeping under bridges - you need to head somewhere else. That's not really a thing, there or in Cuba.
Do I need to go into Bolivia? Morales cut extreme poverty rates in half, in just a decade or so. That's why Trump and the fascists had to do a Coup. And given a somewhat free and fair election - the Coup leader just got replaced, and sentenced to 10 years in prison (the Government is appealing for a longer sentence - and she deserves it. If they had the Death Penalty - that would be the appropriate punishment). Apparently the Bolivians didn't get the memo, from the well endowed Rothschild Chairs in Anti-Communism.
Oh for crying out loud. You are a walking propaganda speaker. We hands access to health care in the US before the ACA. I live in Japan, BTW.
Bullshit - we had equal access to unaffordable care, that bankrupts the sick, and makes insurance companies and Wall Street quite wealthy. Barack Obama had the perfect opportunity to push through a Single Payer system - since the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress... But they represent Wall Street and Goldman Sachs - not their voters... And you had the Kochs warning everyone to avoid a system that a decade later, they admitted works better, for less cost (and less rapacious Wall Street profits, too). That's why we started the Occupy Movement - which was remarkably diverse in its makeup and political spread.
I haven't been to Japan since I was an exchange student under Reagan, in 1984. So I can't speak to their system of healthcare.
No.
There still are. We just AREN'T supporters of the Blue Team in the MONOPARTY Kayfabe.
So anyone $hilling for the Democrats is either not really on the left - or they're VERY confused, and playing some kind of "long game", that they're doomed to lose. Few people know this - but Barack Hussein Obama - is Dick Cheney's cousin. He comes from a CIA family, not a socialist one...and his REAL dad wasn't even Kenyan...
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/10/01/a-company-family-the-untold-history-of-obama-and-the-cia/
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/02/07/barack-obamas-father-identified-as-cia-asset-in-u-s-drive-to-recolonize-africa-during-early-days-of-the-cold-war/
The Blue Team has adopted 'Wokeness', as an attempt to indulge a popular impulse on the left, that need not become the pathology that they have deliberately turn it into. The basis for what some now call CRT - I've always known as "American History" + "Ethnic Studies". I took many upper division classes that explored those ideas, without any injury to my whiteness. But the BEST classes in that vein, also took into account Class and Power...
Prior to the movement against Unaccountable (often racist and/or classist) Police Violence and Murders - being hijacked by some unscrupulous opportunists, and rebranded as "BLM" - some REAL LEFTISTS started the StolenLives.org project, and October22.org coalition. Those groups were old enough to vote, before BLM was a hashtag... Look at the pictures in the collage of victims at the first site. There's plenty of white folks. But because the organizational basis was universal, non-divisive and class based...they couldn't get two column inches in any paper... Even when the cops showed up and brutally attacked them, in Police Riots. And never were their names heard on the nightly news, either. They were a populist appeal that could cross over from poor right to poor left. The Democrats hated them just as much as the Republicans.
I could say with equal veracity, that all these who say are on the right are not true righties.
Ok.
And I will perhaps be willing to join you, and make common cause on many issues.
My politics for the commons are on the left - but until we have human socialism, I eschew any Government Handouts or assistance - because the costs are too high, and the deal being offered just SUCKS...
And I'm capable enough, and have enough "privilege" that I can squeak by without it. But I understand that the disabled, for instance, may need help. And those who've been wronged historically, deserve to be made whole, too. Aetna Insurance started off insuring the Slave Trade. That's a corporate liability.
But I happen to be a small r republican, who lives in the California Republic state. I'm not a "Republican" per se. In fact I'm Peace and Freedom, currently - but considering a switch to the Movement for a People's Party. The Jab cultishness and stupidity of fauxgressive wokeness is beginning to push me away from the P&F crew.
I will work with all people of good faith and conscience. Join me, won't you?
A great speaker on history and propaganda about and versus the left - is Michael Parenti. ScrewUToob is littered with shadow banned videos, that come right up with a simple websearch. I highly recommend him.
Those fellas? Who are you talking about? Are you saying Nazis were "leftists"? Up until recently, when up became down, boys became girls, and lies became truth, the "right" was considered to be "conservative," and the "left" considered "liberal." Who knows what's what these days, as per the "media." The MEDIA is sure "liberal"-- with their bullshit and utter nonsense. But that's the nature of propaganda, no? lol The entire planet has gone completely insane...
Socialists are NOT on the right. Yes, classical liberalism meant freedom from government and it certainly does not now, nor has it for a long time. The majority of violent attacks are not from the right. Antifa, BLM and others behind violent attacks in the US are of the left and their actions by far outnumber those from the right. Mass shootings too.
Well, okay. You're using the terms that are being tossed around as if they actually apply... Not by YOU, I mean tossed around by our corporate bull pucky media pretending to be "journalism." But all these terms have been undone and re-configured to further confuse the issues...It's an old game, to confuse everyone. If you think Nazis are the same as "socialists," in the true meaning of socialism, wherein the PEOPLE own the means of production (not always, but usually), that's just a false label. They called themselves "socialists," yes, they sure did, but they were fascists, pure and simple. MY way or the highway (or the gas chamber, maybe), was their basic stance. Anyway, that's the thing about tyranny, the bad guys always make up some wonderful title like "democrats" and then act like absolute fascist (authoritarian, dictatorial) jerks... Because calling themselves "authoritarians" doesn't go down that well. It's all a big game, but then people suffer, and die, so it kinda sucks!
True with the Nazis, but government control of business is not a thing of the right.
CanтАЩt see the rest of the thread, but my comments are against the statement that violence a right thing and not from the left. The nazis may not have been as far left as the Soviets, but that does not place them on the right. Unless oneтАЩs point of reference is between the two. They feared each other only due to fear that that they may lose powers to the other.
In do not have any close to hand, but there are some nice comparisons of how many died untimely deaths under leftist governments compared to rightest governments. Not even close. The numbers on the Left side of the chart are far far far higher than those on the Right. Pinochet, yes, a rightie and bad one at that. CanтАЩt hold a candle to Mao or Stalin. Not even close.